Kingk Engine Graph

[fentuz]

Who wants some of these?

 

 

 

On a more serious subject, I must a 160 conversion (most likely 85bhp/L with std ECU) done early June. The usual suspects are not able to fit me in; Does somebody know a descent place?

 

Thanks

[KingK_series]

Simon, can we have some clarifiction on a number of points with regar to this engine?

 

1. When was this engine fitted to Colin Turkingtons BTCC car?

2. Which of the 2006 BTCC races did he use it in?

3. The dyno plot date is 2011. Does this mean this engine is a recent creation or is that just the latest dyno?

4. Do you have any more engines like this, or was this a one off?

 

 

 

The engine was built in 2006, it was the first of my 2L to run, and was built to replace the Judd in Colin Turkington's car when a hand modified vlve broke in the Judd engine half way through the 2006 season. The car was recently remapped, after being updated with some of my new parts in 2007 in order to run on low octane 95 Ron fuel, and be sold out to a race team in Australia, where it is being raceed this season.

[Steve J]

Are you saying it ran in the 2006 BTCC or not?

[KingK_series]

I feel the same frustration reading this thread as I did a number of years ago repeatedly on Seloc and other forums.

 

Simon, I genuinely wish you well in developing the K-Series but please just concentrate on letting the products speak for themselves. In that respect I don't mean aggressively pushing them on forums and having a go at all other K-series builders and transplant offerings, but by letting the owners of the cars with your engines promote them by good personal experience. Develop more, talk less, and let other people get on with their choices, whether you personally agree with them or not.

 

Pesky, Daniel and Steve, glad you're all enjoying the Honda's...not my personal choice either but they do go jolly well don't they?! mloc.co.uk/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />

 

Chris

 

I am not ready to post all the results, that will happen when I have finished the hillclimb engine, I posted the BTCC engine simply out of frustration at all those continually mocking me for "not having any engines out in the real world" - feeling that not only was it a pre LOT engine but running in a series far more demanding than most Lotus's run in. It was also a sense of frustration at the "it cannot be done" attitude sponsored by Scuffham et al who claim the K is just a grenade waiting to go off - it it was mean of a foretaste of the work I have done [ and if you worked at Cosworth you must know how much work it is to design every part of an engine bar bare castings as a professional company, so imagine what it is like when I do not do this for a living, and I have lost my entire family in the last 3 years] - so I make no apologies to working to my adgenda

 

 

- however as a foretaste this engine shows reliable powerful K's can be done, and that the fact that the honda/duratec market exists, and the perception has until now been prevalent, that it cannot be done is a result of the dreadful, botched engine building of those who have made a living out of the K series. Finally the threads on SE were written not only to highlight the shortcomings of both OE honda K20 A2s but the proof of the quality of aftermarket tuning of the K, oh and finally to scotch this absolute nonsense [that is putting it very politely] that the honda is only 15kg lighter than a K.

 

Who wants some of these?

 

 

 

On a more serious subject, I must a 160 conversion (most likely 85bhp/L with std ECU) done early June. The usual suspects are not able to fit me in; Does somebody know a descent place?

 

Thanks

Who wants some of these?

 

 

 

On a more serious subject, I must a 160 conversion (most likely 85bhp/L with std ECU) done early June. The usual suspects are not able to fit me in; Does somebody know a descent place?

 

Thanks

 

 

you won't manage that on mems

 

Are you saying it ran in the 2006 BTCC or not?

 

Yes, and it's doing a whole season in Australia this year apparently.

[lummo]

The engine was built in 2006, it was the first of my 2L to run, and was built to replace the Judd in Colin Turkington's car when a hand modified vlve broke in the Judd engine half way through the 2006 season. The car was recently remapped, after being updated with some of my new parts in 2007 in order to run on low octane 95 Ron fuel, and be sold out to a race team in Australia, where it is being raceed this season.

 

According to Wikipedia (the fountain of all knowledge) the 2006 BTCC season consisted of the following meetings:

 

Brands Hatch

Mondello

Oulton Park

Thruxton

Croft

Donington

Snetterton

Knockhill

Brands Hatch

Silverstone

 

It would be interesting to know which races used the Judd & which ones used yours Simon.

 

Incidentally, Colin Turkington came 3rd that season.

[Steve J]

Yes, and it's doing a whole season in Australia this year apparently.

 

Interesting, since WSR say your engine was not used in the BTCC, but was put into the Turkington MG car after the 2006 season finished and the car was sold overseas.

I think you are being inaccurate in your information when you state that it was used in the 2006 BTCC.

 

However, it does look an impressive engine. How much would it be to have one like that? £20k is what I heard.

[Martin R]

Simon, no one on MLOC has " mocked " you for not having engines in the real world. I would be very disappointed if it happened on here. Please do not confuse MLOC with other forums

[chorton_1]

I am not ready to post all the results, that will happen when I have finished the hillclimb engine, I posted the BTCC engine simply out of frustration at all those continually mocking me for "not having any engines out in the real world" - feeling that not only was it a pre LOT engine but running in a series far more demanding than most Lotus's run in. It was also a sense of frustration at the "it cannot be done" attitude sponsored by Scuffham et al who claim the K is just a grenade waiting to go off - it it was mean of a foretaste of the work I have done [ and if you worked at Cosworth you must know how much work it is to design every part of an engine bar bare castings as a professional company, so imagine what it is like when I do not do this for a living, and I have lost my entire family in the last 3 years] - so I make no apologies to working to my adgenda

 

 

- however as a foretaste this engine shows reliable powerful K's can be done, and that the fact that the honda/duratec market exists, and the perception has until now been prevalent, that it cannot be done is a result of the dreadful, botched engine building of those who have made a living out of the K series. Finally the threads on SE were written not only to highlight the shortcomings of both OE honda K20 A2s but the proof of the quality of aftermarket tuning of the K, oh and finally to scotch this absolute nonsense [that is putting it very politely] that the honda is only 15kg lighter than a K.

 

 

Simon, it is great to develop the engines but there are some things that are just facts of life in this business:

 

1) Only the products speak for themselves. Occasionally they get quashed, but usually they win out.

2) Everyone trying to push the boundary or develop new products get praised and criticised in varying measure, sometimes justified but a lot of the time highly unjustified. To resolve this you can only really fall back on the product speaking for itself (see item 1....).

 

No one was mocking you here, Scuffers et al don't even post on here. We all understand that Elise's work in significant part due to their lack of weight but we also have a reasonable view of widely proven power, weight, reliability and other real world requirements (availability, support etc). You can argue that the K's you build prove all these points, but like it or not they currently don't. They are purely a work in progress proof of concept that very few other people have first hand experience of. As I said before, I wish you well in your work but please stick to the development and letting the engines speak for themselves.

 

Finally, you yourself mention you do this outside of core work. In any figures you mention you have to be fair on the commerical rates if you want anyone else to adopt it in the future, whether it be costs of engine build time, components, development (previous and future), customer support, VAT and, god forbid, profit. Much of the cost of an engine isn't in pure components. All the options cost serious money and ultimately proven ability, availability and customer support are all critical in anything other than a theoretical argument. To put it another way, a well built commercial Kent engine for Formula Ford is c.£3k+ and 90% of the components are stock Ford items.....

[lummo]

 

...and finally to scotch this absolute nonsense [that is putting it very politely] that the honda is only 15kg lighter than a K.

 

 

Apologies if it's me being thick, but don't you mean 15kg heavier than a K?

 

Just as a matter of interest, does anyone know the weight difference between the 'K' fitted to the early S2s and the Toyota engine that Lotus replaced it with?

[chorton_1]

No, but I can confirm that my Duratec (with lightened flywheel, exhaust manifold, smaller alternator etc) was 745kg with from memory an indicated 20L of fuel on board. That makes it about the same as a standard car in my book, or as close as you care for a road car.

[Scuffers]

Nice to see I get a mention

 

after being updated with some of my new parts in 2007 in order to run on low octane 95 Ron fuel, and be sold out to a race team in Australia, where it is being raceed this season.

 

Oh dear, looks like this can only end in tears!

 

 

I assume we are talking about Andrew Howell?

[Mark H]

No taunting of each other please!

[chorton_1]

In the phraseology of SELOC, Scuffers is Mr Ben's shopkeeper and I claim my five pounds!!

[richbk]

hmmmm more new members who appear to discuss / defend / comment / debate the joys of lotus ownership.

 

i can see this will end in tears, and i for 1 want no part of it, mloc is a friendly place thats why i post here.

 

i hope this isnt going to change, as i've already lost 1 long term involvement this year with Liverpool FC for their discraceful behavour over the suarez incident.

 

richbk

[AnthT]

Suffers how are you? You nutbag