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Yep, always run the cars 5-10 miles after a wash to dry brakes off before putting back in the garage. Deglaze of pads plus cleaning the discs has got rid of the squeal for now, so will monitor and decide in the spring if I’m going to try a new set of discs and pads
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Every time I wash the Elise (and Evora) I do a quick run round the block with liberal applications of left foot braking to dry the discs and pads out, before they go back in the garage. Never had any trouble with long pedal or squealing. Def. worth doing for the health of the discs, plus it releases all the trapped water in the bodywork's little crevices (which can then be wiped off so no water marks 🙂). However, I did have a set of Tar.Ox discs on the front of the Evora for a while and they squealed like buggery no matter what pads I tried (was slightly embarrassing in slow moving traffic!!). So I went back to EliseParts cheapest front discs and hey presto, same pads, no squeal. I still have the Tar.Ox discs on the shelf, so might just try a thorough de-grease and try 'em again.
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Yeah. Hamilton could be in for a great weekend. They're looking pretty quick and he's got a ridiculous record here
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Not me. Ferraris look quick though.
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Anyone at Silverstone this weekend?
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Been trying to do that to deal with the squeal, as sharper braking doesn’t cause anywhere near as much squeal. It’s easy on fast country roads but more tricky in built up areas. Squeal seems to have been sorted for now by the pad deglaze, but will see how long it stays that way and will make a conscious effort to be sharper for less duration wherever possible.
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Maybe adapting your braking style may be beneficial less duration with sharper force would suit the pad style and car type
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You may be right, but the same happened with the OEM lotus pads. So it was recommended to get more aggressive pads. I’ve used ‘track’ pads in plenty of cars before for fast road use and not had issues, but the Elise is lightweight
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Matt5964 started following Elise S3 Brakes
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The transfer layer is simply just getting worn off buy street driving at lower than there optimal operating range. whilst as reviews say they bite from cold that will be via abrasive friction , driving on the road will not get them into the adhesive friction temp range much if at all as it’s continuous had stops like on track that keeps the core temp up. the reality is your using the wrong pad for your usage and would be better off with a Street bias pad as mentioned above. we run CL5+ with no issues been through two sets now on our third science 2019 with plenty mixed driving and track been faultless (8-10 TDs and 3000+road miles a year) you have to take care of them when washing car and if driving in rain a few hard stops to get temp in them before putting away so there dry is all that’s needed, no bedding in needed as there sintered so work out of the box every time, also light on discs from our experience
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I was thinking of the reactive wheel cleaners really. I have similar after washing but it’s limited the first couple of brake applications.
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I have wondered whether it could be something with my snow foam or car shampoo combination, going to try and make sure I rinse the wheels/brakes off quite quickly when cleaning going forwards and not let products dwell on the discs at least. I have had many occurrences of washing the car then first few brake applications do very little until, presumably, the discs/pad surfaces dry out or scrub off whatever is left on the surface.
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Potentially the wheel cleaner could be factor. As that could be striping the transferred layer from the disc just like it’s lifting the dust from the wheel. It’s just a thought.
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Tyre comparison - short note on v105 vs ad08rs
Trebor_UK replied to MrWill's topic in Technical Talk
My feedback from the AD08RS on my car during the recent LitP weekend drives - Saturday Pootle, Saturday practice Ashbourne runs and Sunday morning Ashbourne run. The lateral grip is a marked improvement over the V105s, especially when pushing on. Car feels more planted and haven't felt anywhere near the limit of grip (which I did feel sometimes with the V105s). Still playing with pressures. Started at 28 psi Front, 32 Rear as that's what they were set at by the tyre fitters; based on feel during first few hundred miles I dropped these to 27 front, 30 rear for LitP which I'm happy with, feels slightly more supple and less crashy over poor surfaces. May try 26/29 (which is what Lotus recommend) next, but when I ran these pressures on the V105s I did get quite frequent TMPS warnings when setting off and tyres were cold. -
foxy76 started following Boot lid hinge pin? S2 Elise
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I opened my boot today and it didn't seem right then realised it was the drivers side hinge had become disconnected from the body part. Has anyone else ever had this issue or know how to solve it?
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No idea then, sorry. You could just try some cheap discs, you don’t need bells or grooved for road use, though they look pretty.
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Thanks Rob, very generous indeed 👌👍 Dean
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Yes did bedding in (on a private road 😉) They have been great for 12 months plus. Not specifically that they were going off when hot. Just gone off generally and the pedal feels wooden, and bad squealing. The cleaning/deglazing I’ve done has improved things greatly and the pedal feel is much improved and no squeal. This has happened with stock pads and the rs42 now so wondering what could be contributing factors.
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I doubt it’s your discs. Did you bed the brakes in to get a good transfer layer on the pads? They are race pads and need some care. The process is easy but you can’t reach the suggested speeds (legally) and as an Elise is so light I add some cycles, often accompanied by smoke. Doing the cycles with judgement and applying brake and accel at the same time is safer/easier. https://www.pagidracing.com/information/bedding-in-service I’ve never found them worse when hot. Used them for years on track. They are now owned by Europarts and some say the quality has changed but I have not experienced any issues. Additional thought…. Bedding brakes in “out gasses” the pad (and forms the transfer layer), releases gas from the pad. If you don’t do that in a controlled way the gas pushes the pad off the disc when it gets hot, only happens a few times but it is scary. When I first got my current gt86 it had pads which stated “not for track use”, I tried a few wet laps of Donington and they were right, second hard brake and there was nothing there until the pad cooled.
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I did quite a bit of research and went RS42 because a lot of folk suggested they still had bite when cold and didn’t need to get up to temp before working. Which is what I found. They utterly transformed the car, but had gone off in the last few months. i did also wonder if they were dragging but found no evidence, pistons moved ok, not finding them getting overly hot after driving with little braking. Could it be the discs? Some contamination/deposits ? I’ll see how they go over the next few months and have a rethink in the spring
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I assume you have fitted brake buffers in the front pads (from Elise parts), though they don’t stop squeal, and you put ceramic grease on the pad back/pistons and where the pads touch the calliper (which does stop squeal). Rs42 are great track pads but I would use something different for road use. They are rather dead until you get some heat into them and they have been bedded in (a few high speed deceleration and then allow them and the discs to cool). I’ve always found Elise brakes to be exceptionally good and no need for a big brake kit (I fitted one to my s2 Exige, waste of money, looked good though). You find brakes good cold but not hot, which is odd. As they glazed, is there any chance the brakes a dragging (sticking) the pistons should push in easily, I push them in with a bit of wood (as it hurts my fingers) but not much force is needed.
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I love the Lotus in the Peak event and it's great to see all the positive posts and pictures of this year's event. I wasn't there this time because I'd decided to attend the Jim Clark 60th anniversary celebration of his F1 championship, Indi 500 win & Tasman series championship. This was organised by the Jim Clark Trust and took place at Duns Castle very close to his Scottish home. It ran on both Saturday and Sunday, so we (six of us) had decided to travel up to Scotland on Friday, have the day at the event on Saturday and travel back down on Sunday taking in the Yorkshire dales. The route was selected to avoid the motorways, and to use some very scenic and hopefully entertaining roads. We used three cars, two of which were Lotus, my Elise, and Rob's Esprit, which he has just got back on the road after an extensive rebuild. If was the Esprit first run of any distance since the rebuild. All was well and we had a wonderful three days. The Jim Clark event was exceptional. If you arrived in a Lotus you had the opportunity to park on the lawn of Duns Castle. There were many of the Lotus single seaters that Jim would have driven in period, that the owners and Classic Team Lotus had brought to the event. They ran them up and down the driveway to Duns Castle a couple of times each day (see the video link below). At the end of the day one of our group, Neil, asked one of the officials if Rob could move his Esprit to the front of the castle to get some photographs. He was able to arrange that and as luck would have it Jim's Lotus 25 was also there just at the right time . As part of our pilgrimage we visited Jim's grave in the churchyard at Chirnside, very sobering. On our long drive home we went via the Yorkshire Dales and call in at the Tan Hill Inn for lunch. All very picturesque. A great three days. Here are some pictures to give you a bit of the vibe of the event:
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Hi AlI just wanted to tell you of Club member Robert Redden's (Trebor_UK ) kind donation to the LitP Rainbows Fund raiser of £100 Just how good is that A BIG thankyou Rob 👏👏👏
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