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How To Tell The Between A 111 And A Elise


dannygt4smith

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Dunno about stickers (althoug I'd've thought there'd be some) but the VVC has metal throttle body and inlet manifold so should be easy to check!

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Sorry i ment a lower bhp version to a higher bhp 111(with out the s)

 

I thought the 111 was a std 118bhp Elise. 111s is the VVC engine...143bhp.

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I hate to disagree but here goes :clap: This is how i see it.

 

S1 Elise

 

111 Standard Elise approx 120 BHP ( none VVC )

111s Approx 140 BHP VVC stands for variable valve control

111 160 sport ( approx 150 BHP ) None VVC, ported head different manifold etc etc.

111 sport 190 VHPD engine ( very high power derivative ) Different bottom end etc etc.

 

S2 Elise

 

111 as above

111s as above

190 Sport as above

111R Toyota engine approx 190 BHP

 

They also have different trim levels wheels etc.

 

Traditionally Lotus bring out a standard car and then bring out a sprint, which has a uprated engine etc etc. IE Lotus Elan, Lotus Elan Sprint. They for some reason changed to a 111 which is a standard Elise and called the sprint version a 111s HTH.

 

Edit, this is Martin R and not Liz as its Friday night and ive been at the red stuff.

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Not be be too controvercial, but I have a slightly different recollection (though not necessarily correct).

 

S1:

 

Standard Elise = 118bhp, normal box, no fancy stuff

 

135 Elise = 145 bhp (it made more than the advertised bhp, but Lotus kept quiet as they didn't want to annoy 111 owners), LSS suspension and some fancy paint

 

111 Elise = VVC 140bhp, CR box, some comfort extras (carpets?)

 

111s Elise = same as 111 but with a couple more interior comforty bits. Should have 111s stickers on the outside, spats on the rear arch edges, headlight covers, err leather?

 

160 Elise = 160bhp (I think it ranged between 150-160), different ECU, lumpy idle, more track tuned, LSS?

 

190 Elise = 190bhp (actually 170-180bhp), track oriented with LSS

 

Exige 177 = VHPD 177bhp (more like 170bhp), EliseRacer copied clams, stiffer springed LSS, loads of other little bits aimed at track use

 

Exige 192 = VHPD 190bhp (more like 180bhp), as above with a few engine bits removed (charcoal canister etc) and carbon air box

 

 

S2 Kseries:

 

Standard Elise = 120bhp, CR box, basic package

 

Sports Tourer = 120bhp, CR box, leather seats, carpets, lumbar support, 4 speakers, aircon as option, passenger foot rest, and a few other bits

 

RaceTech = 120 bhp, CR box, alcantara seats, chequerplate mats, 2 speakers, few other bits

 

135 = 135 bhp (actually about 145bhp again), CR box, 135 stickers on left of dash

 

135R = power as above, CR box, Bilstein LSS, OZ racing wheels, colour coded exterior plastic trim

 

111 = VVC 156bhp, standard box (longer gears for motorways), interior nice comfort bits

 

111s = as 111 with a few more nice interior bits

 

190 = VHPD 190bhp (actually about 180bhp), LSS, CR box etc

 

 

S2 Toyota:

 

Whole new set of engines and trim.....

 

If you're looking at tuning an S1 111s then you'll get to about 160bhp with the VVC. If you want more you'll have to junk the VVC mechanism.

 

Right, that's enough waffle from me now :clap:

 

I hate to disagree but here goes :D This is how i see it.

 

S1 Elise

 

111 Standard Elise approx 120 BHP ( none VVC )

111s Approx 140 BHP VVC stands for variable valve control

111 160 sport ( approx 150 BHP ) None VVC, ported head different manifold etc etc.

111 sport 190 VHPD engine ( very high power derivative ) Different bottom end etc etc.

 

S2 Elise

 

111 as above

111s as above

190 Sport as above

111R Toyota engine approx 190 BHP

 

They also have different trim levels wheels etc.

 

Traditionally Lotus bring out a standard car and then bring out a sprint, which has a uprated engine etc etc. IE Lotus Elan, Lotus Elan Sprint. They for some reason changed to a 111 which is a standard Elise and called the sprint version a 111s HTH.

 

Edit, this is Martin R and not Liz as its Friday night and ive been at the red stuff.

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Find this thread really confusing....

 

I always read about the S1 that

 

the 111 was the standart one 118bhp

the 111 S135 was powered by a prepared engine of nearly 145 bhp (only for UK market, emission issue))

the 111S was the evoltion of the s135 with a VVC engine (much better for emission)... it used the same upgrade as s135 and few extras: spoiler wheels are different.

the 160 (from jan 2000) is powered as the s135 by prepared engine of 150 hp but tuneable to produce 160 (mg did a 160 too but it was the vvc with a different ecu).

 

The 160S is a 160 that comes with the LSS, and racing style seats

 

http://fentuz.ifrance.com/Elisemodelhistory.pdf

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That's about the same as I typed above.

 

111 is the Elise design number, the standard one just wasn't referred to as 111

 

S1:

Standard - 118bhp

135 - ~ 145bhp

111/111s ~ 140bhp VVC

160 ~ 150bhp

190 ~ 180bhp VHPD

 

:clap:

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Agreed, Still don't understand the 111 only, I thought there was only the 111S. My book "Lotus Passion" published by Driver does not refer to 111 only but 111S

 

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That's about the same as I typed above.

 

111 is the Elise design number, the standard one just wasn't referred to as 111

 

S1:

Standard - 118bhp

135 - ~ 145bhp

111/111s ~ 140bhp VVC

160 ~ 150bhp

190 ~ 180bhp VHPD

 

:clap:

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