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Happy to be shot down on this one but, if the ECU is controlling fine except on idle (as you say, the 1% minimum opening is too big), is there any way to adjust the throttle stops so they still allow a very small air bleed when closed?

With a single TB the IACV would assume airflow control when the throttle is closed to maintain minimal air into the cylinders. As I understand, initially on coming off the throttle the fuel cuts then resets to idle.

If a satisfactory idle could be achieved by replicating IACV flow through a minimal opening at the ECU's 0% position, assuming it will control fuel flow at that setting, then as long as the subsequent ECU-controlled 1% step opening didn't affect pick-up, it might work, maybe, without needing to replace the entire ECU?

I've been going through a very similar process on a Weber 32/36...not quite as cutting edge but the same theory!

 

Another thought...

You mentioned that, initially, you were getting only 25% TB opening due to the initial ECU settings. Is it possible that whatever was done to correct that has affected the fine control at low % opening?

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Absolutely epic build... 

 

I don't know why I'm suprised but it's an absolute credit to you Leigh it's added build time as let you have time to do things properly. 

 

Sounded mega too. 

 

Great to see you and also I'm glad Pauls Rollers let you have an initial dial in run. 

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leigh , i thought this would be complete by now but have to say it looks outstanding , a real credit to you 

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Ian, it should have been completed ages ago! But such is life......

Am considering options on the ECU and ITB control front. One very simply option is to offset the angle of the DBW arm with the ITB arms by 90 degrees which will give a much finer control and small openings. But tbh looking like a move to a Motec ECU too. 😏

Build holders in rear lights were like this:

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Changed them to this style:

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That allows me to use proper connectors rather than spades:

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Headlamp motors and front lights etc. wired up.

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Wired up the central locking:

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I've been using the Deutsch DT connectors.Bought a cheap (£35) crimp tool. Dead easy to crimp, top quality, and very easy to de-pin if needed. Expensive to buy but I'm converted!

Have a bit of an issue with the passenger lock mechanism, not sure what happening but part of the lock sits in a different place than on the driver's side and means the central locking doesn't work properly. Will have to work out a fix

Rear now all wired up and functioning (well apart from the number plate light)

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Front all done

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Heater controls dash 'pod' 3D printed. Very kindly modeled for me by my (would be) BiL.

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Headlamps seems to operated Driver side a fraction before passenger side on both the up and down. This light is on the longer loom, but each is operated by it's own relay AFAIK.

View on YouTube website

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Looks great Leigh, did you get the paint sorted on the rear?

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3 minutes ago, The Cakes said:

Looks great Leigh, did you get the paint sorted on the rear?

Not yet Drage. Plan is to get it all finished and then sort any paint dings. Good job too as I chipped something else yesterday..... 

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I totally get that 🤷🏻‍♂️ I still have little bits to do after the PPF is fitted. 

Looking good Leigh. 

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9 hours ago, Dr H said:

Not yet Drage. Plan is to get it all finished and then sort any paint dings. Good job too as I chipped something else yesterday..... 

Oh bugger but good idea. Don’t think I’d sleep knowing it was there 😂

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Just messing about with bits and trying to get a date to send the car to the trimmer, but no luck yet...

So I decided to shed some light on the situation, so to speak

PIAA Lamps

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Fixings riveted to the lamp pod

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Fit all 4 and voila! Driving lamps on the outside, spots in the middle.

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Put some yellow film on the fogs, Yeah or Nay?

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Looks more 'period

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Fitting the headlight surrounds. From this:

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To this. Will get some black fixings to make them 'disappear as the silver stick out too much.

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Still can't decide on this, but having spent hundreds on lamps and surrounds then I feel I should. Looks like a proper Stratos to me with these on. However I'm only going to do it if I can design a bracket system that allows me to remove them without leaving big holes in the front clam. Or needing a broom to hold them in place ).gif

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New heater controls done and read to fit to the dash.

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My video rear view mirror doesn't fucking work. Did when I unboxed it 6 months ago, now it won't find the rear cam wall.gif.

Amazon delivery bloke was a little taken aback today as I was working on it in the garage with the door wide open. 'Is it real one or a kit?' he asked! He knew what it was but thought you had to buy the kits form Italy.

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Black surrounds look better. Did they have yellow fogs and clear headlights? I like you’re thinking with a bracket for the light pod but do you think you could design a bracket that didn’t have too much flex in it? Don’t want to be damaging that body! 

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On 04/07/2019 at 06:44, The Cakes said:

Black surrounds look better. Did they have yellow fogs and clear headlights? I like you’re thinking with a bracket for the light pod but do you think you could design a bracket that didn’t have too much flex in it? Don’t want to be damaging that body! 

Originals cars seem to have had clear fogs at the front but I think the yellow looks very 'period'. Film keeps lifting at the edges so I tried some of the lens tint spray stuff https://e-tech.uk.com/e-tech-lens-tint-150ml   and it's bloody awful. so removed it. Hella do a really nice yellow lens driving light but not a fog version. But I have managed to find a pair of the fog ones with a yellow reflector (which seem to be discontinued). Look nice and old school:

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If I do sort out a bracket for the lamp pod it will also have foam tape on the bottom of the pod and PPF on the front bodywork to ensure no scratching of scuffing!

 

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Not much progress really. Still waiting for a date for trimming. In the meantime I've been messing about fitting stuff and wiring up other bits and bobs.

I now have footwell lights and also puddle lights in the base of the doors. I used 12v LED 'strips' for the footwells, they are a bit bright! So I might have to replace them with something smaller.

Wasn't happy with the yellow film on the spot lights so went hunting to try and source original yellow Hella fog lights. Manged to find a set with yellow reflectors. Bought them from Amazon.com and including postage they only cost £77.90 for the pair including lamp covers. Which is about £10 more than a standard clear set from the UK. Look much more 'period'

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Sorted out the problem with my rear view camera - it was 2 bent pins in the connector. Bought from Ali Express so didn;t expect much support but the supplier was brilliant. Replied to my messages immediately and suggested a way to sort it all out.

So I've test wired it up and fitted the cables into the car to test it. Took a bit of messing about to work out where it needs to go and what angle to fit it at. Used a 3D printed number plate housing from a fellow Stratos rep builder.


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Pair of LED lights


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Camera positioned and bonded in before finishing off with filler and paint. Not totally happy as you can see a very slight 'lump' where the filler is in some light. Can't see it when fitted to the car but might re-do and repaint it.


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Camera feeds video to the rear view mirror which is a full screen not a 'box' in the mirror. When you select reverse the camera view 'drops down and it adds proximity lines over the view.

Have ordered some new linkages for the ITBs from Jenvey as they have a new system that should work well with my setup. Have ditched the system of running a linkage off each end of DBW actuator and am now looking at running a single link to one bank of ITBs and the using a spindle extension from the back on the first ITB on benk one and connecting it to actuate bank 2. With the previous setup the ITBs were opening slightly out of sync on each bank, this way they open at exactly the same time. Can sort of see it in this pic:

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Until I get a date for trimming and some window parts it's all a bit slow....

 

 

 

 

 

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Small update.

Fog lamps look like this when switched on:

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Pretty yellow compared to the LED sidelight I have fitted

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Some other bits and bobs I've been doing. The paint was getting mashed where the rubber stops from the front canopy rest against the body (as paint is still soft and not fully cured I think).


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So I had some small plates laser cut in stainless and powder coated. Cut a gasket out of very thin rubber sheet and pop-riveted them in place. Quite pleased with the result. Should stand up a lot better than the paint!


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Rear arch liners fitted, but rear canopy off to add stonechip.


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Custom heater controls fitted. 3D printed, custom decals, electric temp controller and AC on/off. Will either be trimmed with the dash, or if this isn't possible painted satin black.


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Looks like it might be going to the trimmers next week if everything works out! Fingers crossed....

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👍🏻 Creatively cool buddy 😎

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Good idea with those plates on the rear 👌🏻

Did you get a trailer sorted?

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