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<rss version="2.0"><channel><title>MLOC Lotus news: MLOC Lotus news</title><link>https://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/forum/index.html/faqwiki/suspension/?d=1</link><description>MLOC Lotus news: MLOC Lotus news</description><language>en</language><item><title>Changing suspension fitting guide</title><link>https://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/forum/index.html/faqwiki/suspension/changing-suspension-fitting-guide-r467/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>Kit: Spanner Set. Socket Set. Wire Wool. Silicon sealer. WD40. Copper  Grease or similar. Any bolts that look knackerd that hold the shocks. </p>
<p>Day before: spray all nuts and bolts holding shocks with WD40 </p>
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<p>Slightly loosen all wheel bolts </p>
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<p>Jack one side of car up, chock wheel </p>
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<p>Remove wheel your working on </p>
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<p>Undo the two bolts holding shock on </p>
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<p>Remove old shock </p>
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<p>On rears: fit new shock, noteing that shock is correct way up.  zip tie speedo cable to shock body on LHS, ensuring it has enough slack  not to strech all the way through wishbones travel. tighten bolts. Clean  wheel and hub faces. Grease faces with copper grease. re-fit wheel </p>
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<p>On fronts: remove old shock. remove nuts holding old bracket.  clean chassis where bracket sits. apply sealer to back of bracket (to  prevent corrosion). re-fit bolts holding bracket. fit shock right way  up. Clean wheel and hub faces. Grease faces with copper grease. re-fit  wheel </p>
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<p>Drop car back down. </p>
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<p>Tighten bolts. </p>
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<p>Repeat on other side. </p>
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<p>Get car geo'd (Although apparently you can get away with just having the toe set). </p>
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<p>I think thats pretty much it! IIRC </p>
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">467</guid><pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Suspension Refresh</title><link>https://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/forum/index.html/faqwiki/suspension/suspension-refresh-r464/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>As its the winter and the little blue bomber is going sprinting next  year ive decided on a suspension refresh. Ive bought some Superflex  bushes and a set of ball joints. With the fixings etc it should work out  at about £400 for the lot. If anyone needs any fixings BTW PM me before  you buy and if i have them you can have them at what it cost me. Im  also shotblasting the wishbones and replating at the same time as im a  fussy so and so at the best of times. Pics to follow when ive cleaned a  bit of blood of my knuckles. </p>
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<p>The story so far. Ive taken the front clam off. Ive shotblasted  and repainted the front towing eye with Hammerite smooth. The spray can  version as though its thinner and needs more coats the finish is spot  on. Ive replaced the driving light brackets after a couple of additional  coats of Hammerite again. These are a reasonable £8-50 per side <img src="../public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif" alt="smile.gif"> Ive removed the front passenger side hub and top wishbone joint. A few pics. </p>
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<p><strong>Front off</strong> </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/6/6f/Frontoff.jpg" alt="Frontoff.jpg"></p>
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<p><strong>Side view</strong> </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/9/92/SideView.jpg" alt="SideView.jpg"></p>
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<p><strong>Superflex bushes ( 22mm stainless internal sleeve )</strong> </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/a/ab/Superflexbushes.jpg" alt="Superflexbushes.jpg"></p>
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<p>The bottom ball joint carrier and steering arm. Ive shotblasted both and  yes you have guessed give it the Hammerite treatment. Although where  the ball joint and steering arm attaches ive left it just shotblasted.  Ive done this by putting a bolt and appropriate sized washer through the  hole before spraying. </p>
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<p><strong>Side view</strong> </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/b/bf/SideView2.jpg" alt="SideView2.jpg"></p>
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<p><strong>Bottom view</strong> </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/6/63/Bottom.jpg" alt="Bottom.jpg"></p>
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<p>You obviously dont want to Hammerite the parts that attach it to  the hub carrier as you have to coat these with Duralac ( spelling ? ) to  prevent electrolitic ( spelling ? <img src="../public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif" alt="smile.gif"> reaction. </p>
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<p>This is turning into a ramble <img src="../public/style_emoticons/default/blush.gif" alt="blush.gif">  but a couple of other things i forgot i had done. Ive replaced the  fixings for the radiator and radiator surround with stainless steel for  when the plastic end caps pop as they seem to do on S1,s. They were  really rusty and a PITA to remove. I also had a spot of bother with the  sill fixings on the front clam and had to saw 3 out of the 4 off ( deep  joy ) Ive sourced a supply of 8mm flanged Aluminium rivnuts to replace  them with at a very reasonable £3 for ten. From here <a href="http://www.nfauto.co.uk/consumables.htm" rel="external nofollow">http://www.nfauto.co...consumables.htm</a> Edit, i also tightened up the jubilee clips on the radiator hoses and 1 was quite loose <img src="https://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/forum/uploads/emoticons/default_rolleyes.gif" alt=":rolleyes:"></p>
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<p>Anyway back to pics </p>
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<p><strong>Cleaned up front hub carrier</strong> </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/c/c8/HubCarrier.jpg" alt="HubCarrier.jpg"></p>
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<p>Top view showing steering arm about to be retightened ( if i had the new  fixings ) note the shims used to adjust the front wheel camber. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/d/db/SteeringArm.jpg" alt="SteeringArm.jpg"></p>
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<p>Incase anyone needs them, these are some usefull part numbers. </p>
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<p>Ball joints QSJ883S (QH) </p>
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<p>Track rod end QR2382S (QH) </p>
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<p>These are the same parts that TADTS.com supply. Most motor factor  places should be able to supply them so there might be a few pennies  saved by shopping around. </p>
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<p>Next episode <img src="../public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif" alt="biggrin.gif">  The first pic shows the refurbed top wishbone and new ball joint, also i  did the top damper bracket as well. You might just be able to see the  grease i put on the ball joint rubber to allow it to be pushed through  the wishbone. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/f/f7/Wishbone.jpg" alt="Wishbone.jpg"></p>
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<p>Next pic shows the front of the ball joint housing on the  wishbone. It has 2 small holes in. Ive though about this and i can only  presume its to let the water out to stop it sitting on top of the ball  joint. Only a guess mind. I put a little gob of greae in before spraying  to stop it being blocked up with paint and removed it after. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/b/ba/BallJointHousing.jpg" alt="BallJointHousing.jpg"></p>
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<p>Next one is the poly bush eye. Nice and clean <img src="../public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif" alt="smile.gif"> I was very carefull not to get any paint on the front edge as the top hat of the new bushes sit on here. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/4/46/PolyBushEye.jpg" alt="PolyBushEye.jpg"></p>
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<p>This pic is going to take a bit of explaining. On the front top  wishbone you have washers to adjust the castor of the front wheels. 4 on  the front leg and 4 on the back. These can be arrange either 1-3, 2-2  or 3-1 either side of the bush eye. The front and back legs are always  the same arrangment. Mine were 2-2. You have to be careful as you take  the wishbone off to spot it. One of the old shim washers also has rubber  on it ( snubber washer ) This is to prevent metal to metal contact on  the OE bushes as you only have a top hat one end. The new bushes have a  top hat either end as they come in 2 parts, so you do not need a snubber  washer. Ive tried to lay this pic out as old and new set up, see what  you think. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/7/74/Washers.jpg" alt="Washers.jpg"></p>
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<p>Ive just noticed i missed the right hand poly bush out the pic <img src="../public/style_emoticons/default/blush.gif" alt="blush.gif"> It should be next to the right hand Stainless steel insert. Hope you still get the idea. </p>
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<p>Next pic is the wishbone with the bushes and inserts in place. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/1/1d/WishboneandBushes.jpg" alt="WishboneandBushes.jpg"></p>
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<p>Last one is the reassembled wishbone on the car. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/3/37/ReassembledWishbone.jpg" alt="ReassembledWishbone.jpg"></p>
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<p>Ive read as much as possible on this subject before attempting  the job. This is the theory reagarding POLY wishbone bushes as i see it.  Hopefully someone will put me right if im wrong. The steel insert is  gripped on the chassis and does not turn in use. The poly bush should  not turn in the wishbone eye in use. The bolt does not turn in use. The  only parts that turn in use is the wishbone eye and the poly bush which  turn together not independant of one another. I mention this as i  thought long and hard about which bits to grease on reassembly. I put no  grease between the eye and outside of the bush. I greased the inside of  the bush the outside of the top hats on the bush and a bit on the  washers. No grease on the bolt. Im hoping this is correct. On the SELOC  tech wiki it says you can torque the wishbone bolts on poly bushes  without the car being at ride height. Im sure this is correct. However  on the packet with these poly bushes it says torque at ride height, so  im going to do that. Although i did torque them to 45 NM to check the  operation to be on the safe side. Im pleased to say the bushes are not  turning in the eye and the bolt is not moving either. The up and down  movement seems to be nice and smooth so i presume all is well. Last  thing i did was to loosen the bolts ready for final reassembly later. Im  now going to have a drop of wine <img src="../public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif" alt="rolleyes.gif"> Hopefully we will catch some of you at Donny tomorrow. </p>
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<p>Right next pic is the lower wishbones now off. Ive made sure the tea cup is in the pic just for Ladders. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/0/0e/LowerWishbone.jpg" alt="LowerWishbone.jpg"></p>
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<p>On this pic ive tried to show the top hat end and the none top hat end on the OE bushes. </p>
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<p>For those that have not read the SELOC tech wiki, this is how you  remove the OE bushes. I used a 18mm and a 30mm sockets in a engineers  vice. You have to break the rubber top hat using the 18mm socket and  push it through into the 30mm socket. I put in a bit of old rag to  protect the sockets from damage. You have to be carefull the sockets are  aligned correctly. If the vice goes tight whilst you are doing it, they  are not right. Ready to go </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/1/19/RemoveBushes.jpg" alt="RemoveBushes.jpg"></p>
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<p><strong>On the way</strong> </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/2/24/RemoveBushes2.jpg" alt="RemoveBushes2.jpg"></p>
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<p><strong>Jobs a good un</strong> </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/2/26/BushesRemoved.jpg" alt="BushesRemoved.jpg"></p>
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<p>The hardness of the OE bushes did suprise me when i took them  out. They are rock solid to a laymen like me. Mark A might explain how  they work. As far as i can see they must rotate around the bolt as you  could not get enough travel otherwise i would have thought. The poly  bushes do seem to move nicely but im only pulling them up and down in  the garage. We shall have to see. </p>
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<p>I would regard a good 1/2 and 3/8 inch socket set a necessity.  Also a small set of deep sockets and off set spanners as well as normal  ones. Ive also got a ball joint splitter the one you clamp on. I could  not bring myself to use the one you hammer on my pride and joy <img src="../public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif" alt="smile.gif">  A decent torque wrench as well. Also a hex socket set, which you can  get for about £10 These save a lot of messing about with Allen keys. You  also obviously need a jack etc. If i think of anything else i will add  it to this list. Ive used black hammerite smooth to spray the wishbones  as i like the finish. You could buy a tin and brush it on but i doubt  the finish would satisfy a GJOB like me. There has been a bit of  discussion on SELOC regarding painting wishbones. Some people seem to  think it could hide spreading rust under the paint. As ive shotblasted  mine first ( pics to follow when i do the lower wishbone ) I dont regard  this as a problem. HTH. Edit. You will also need a nylon headed hammer or similar to remove the brake  discs are they are a touch stubborn. </p>
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<p>A couple of pics of the shotblasted lower wishbone whilst i wait  the paint drying. Im also waiting for some Permabond A131 to be  delivered for the rebuild. </p>
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<p><strong>One side.</strong> </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/c/cd/SBLowerWishbone.jpg" alt="SBLowerWishbone.jpg"></p>
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<p><strong>Other side.</strong> </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/b/b1/SBLowerWishbone2.jpg" alt="SBLowerWishbone2.jpg"></p>
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<p>Not the worlds best pics but i think its fair to say they are clean and rust free. <img src="https://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/forum/uploads/emoticons/default_smile.png" alt=":)" srcset="https://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/forum/uploads/emoticons/smile@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20"></p>
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<p>Right here we go again. Sorry about the delay. Ive had the bottom  wishbone on and off a couple of times as the bushes squeeked. Ive  sorted it now. A bit of the weld on one of the eyes to the wishbone was  stopping the bush seating properly. It needeed a small amount of  carefull fettling. </p>
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<p>First pic, lower wishbone after painting. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/e/e2/PaintedLowerWishbone.jpg" alt="PaintedLowerWishbone.jpg"></p>
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<p>Lower wishbone with bushes in. I also attached the lower plinth  and torqued up the ball joint as it was easier with it off the car. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/e/e5/LowerWishboneWithBushes.jpg" alt="LowerWishboneWithBushes.jpg"></p>
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<p>Lower wishbone back on the car again. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/5/52/LowerWishboneonCar.jpg" alt="LowerWishboneonCar.jpg"></p>
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<p>Dont forget to coat the surfaces of the parts that attach to the  hub carrier with Duralac. Also coat the threads of the bolts with  Permabond A131 as this stops the corrosion as well. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/5/55/HubCarrier2.jpg" alt="HubCarrier2.jpg"></p>
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<p>The hub carrier is back on the car. Ive also coated the hub face  with copper slip. This is so you dont have to spend 15 mins hammering  the brake disc with a nylon hammer next time to get it off. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/c/c9/HubCarrierOnCar.jpg" alt="HubCarrierOnCar.jpg"></p>
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<p>Wheel on and back at ride height and being torqued up. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/1/16/WheelBackOn.jpg" alt="WheelBackOn.jpg"></p>
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<p>Now finished and just to round it off a new stainless steel brake hoses retaining clip. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/c/c8/StainlessSteelBrakeHose.jpg" alt="StainlessSteelBrakeHose.jpg"></p>
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<p><strong>A picture of the tools ive used so far.</strong> </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/5/59/ToolsUsed.jpg" alt="ToolsUsed.jpg"></p>
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<p>Its easier if you remove the bottom anti roll bar mount fixing when you are putting the bottom wishbone back in. 1 down 3 to go. </p>
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<p> QUOTE(Steve J @ Nov 25 2006 @  07:13 PM) *)</p>
<p>Are  you sure coating the hub with copperslip is a good idea? Just wondering  whether the rotation will splatter the copperslip over your brake disks  and cause stopping problems? <img src="../public/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif" alt="unsure.gif"></p>
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<p>Steve,  there is a sizable lip between the hub face and the back edge of the  disc. I will post a pic up when i get the other one off. I removed the  rust off the inside face that mates to the hub using a wire mop in a  drill. I will have a good nosey to make sure none is getting through  though.</p>
<p>A couple of other things ive thought of though. If you are  taking both wishbones off put the bottom one back on first as the top  one falling down in front of your face gets on your t*ts. Also make sure  the steel bonded inserts in the chassis are really clean. These appear  to be hardened steel and the wishbone retaining bolts go through them.  If they are not really clean the wishbones are tight going back in <img src="../public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif" alt="smile.gif"></p>
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<p>QUOTE(Mark A)Just a quick comment.</p>
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<p>The original OE bushes do not rotate around the bolt.</p>
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<p>The  inner sleeve is clamped solidly and doesn't rotate. The rotation of the  wishbones is done via wind-up of the bush, remember that the forces  exerted by the suspension are massive compared to what you can do by  hand. This is why it is very important that you fit the bushes in the  correct orientation, and why the suspension should be tightened up at  the correct ride height. This is less important with nylatron or PU  bushes, assuming they are fitted correctly and don't bind after  tightening.</p>
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<p>The bushes do contribute to the wheel rate but it's not a major component of the overall number.</p>
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<p>Martin,</p>
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<p>You  have gone slightly overboard with the copperslip, a very small amount  would have been enough, all you need it to do is to put a very thin film  between the disc and hub face.</p>
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<p>QUOTE(Martin R @ Nov 25 2006 @  08:51 PM) *)</p>
<p>Im  also suprised the OE bushes do not rotate around the bolt. On that  theory the ally box section the bonded metal inserts are in must flex  and clamp to stop the OE bushes rotating ? The wind up and forces on the  OE bushes due to the suspension travel must be massive <img src="../public/style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif" alt="wacko.gif"></p>
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<p>Do  you think there is any difference between clamping up the inner sleeve  on the PU or Nylatron bushes as opposed to the OE bushes? You are doing  exactly the same thing on both. The flex required on the chassis is  tiny. The bolt diameter isn't the same as the inner diameter of the bush  sleeve, the diameter difference would need to be minuscule and the bolt  would need to be a highly machined ultra smooth surface for it to work  as a bearing, this just isn't possible otherwise the people making the  PU or Nylatron bushes would do the same thing.</p>
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<p>Bush wind up  forces are pretty big but it's exactly how it works on 99% of cars on  the road. Also, think about how much rotation there actually is, I think  you may be surprised how little they need to rotate. I'm not going to  post the bush stiffnesses but obviously the forces required are a lot  lower than those needed to move the springs (even the soft original  ones)</p>
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<p>As i mentioned earlier in this thread, when i removed the  clam 3 of the 4 sill fixings were just rotating. I managed to loosen  them enough to remove the clam as the clam is slotted and you can get it  off by pulling the clam sideways. You are then left with what to do  about the fixings. The only option is to saw or dremel the heads off.  You then cover the remaining thread and as much of the fixing as  possible with Silcaflex or similar and push then through into the sill.  You have to pray they attach to something and not roll around and drive  you mad. We shall see. I purchased some 8mm ally rivnuts to use as  replacments. No one should be suprised to find out i was not willing to  pay £50 for the tool to put them in. This is how to do it, with thanks  to Junks on SELOC for a few tips.</p>
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<p>First pic shows the parts and  tools required. The drill is approx 10.5mm dia as this is the same as  the outside diameter of the 8mm rivnut. 1 x 50mm long socket head bolt 2  x 8mm washers, 1 big and 1 small. 8mm nut and a 13mm spanner for the  nut. I also used a appropriate sized allen key that fits on a 3/8 inch  drive rachet but you could use a plain allen key as a alternative.</p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/1/19/PartsandTools.jpg" alt="PartsandTools.jpg"></p>
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<p>Next  pic is the parts assembled ready for use. From the left in the pic. Its  bolt, 8mm nut screwed right to the top of the thread on the bolt. Small  washer, large washer. It helps if you rough the face of the large  washer up with a bit of emery cloth. This side should face the rivnut to  help it grip and finally the 8mm rivnut screwed on the bolt, till a bit  of the thread pokes through the end.</p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/b/bc/PartsAssembled.jpg" alt="PartsAssembled.jpg"></p>
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<p>This pic shows the hole drilled in the sill.</p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/f/f0/HoleinSill.jpg" alt="HoleinSill.jpg"></p>
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<p>The parts in position and ready to be tightened.</p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/1/1a/PartsinPosition.jpg" alt="PartsinPosition.jpg"></p>
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<p>The  idea is you stop the bolt turning whilst applying downward pressure.  You tighten the nut onto the rivnut, which causes it to collapse  underneath and it grips the underside of the sill. This gives you a firm  new fixing for the clam.</p>
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<p>The final pic is the finished job. The pic turned out crap but it does work <img src="../public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif" alt="smile.gif"></p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/1/1e/FinishedJob.jpg" alt="FinishedJob.jpg"></p>
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<p>QUOTE(Alasdair)Am  looking forward to the pic's from the rear so I can steal more  information - will you be replacing the rear toe arm, and the ball  joints at each end?</p>
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<p>One of my rear toe arms is bent, rang Lotus  Dealer to check the part numbers but they haven't gotten back to me yet -  I'm confused as to male/female ball joints, and if they have the bolt  embedded or seperate (with my car being late 97 i think they differ  earlier on?)</p>
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<p>QUOTE(Martin R @ Nov 28 2006 @  04:27 PM) *)</p>
<p>Alasdair,  mine now has the uprated rear toe links. As for the female male bit. I  think the design changed to a bolt that screws into the toe link as  oposed to a nut that went on a thread on the toe link. On either i think  you have 2 flats to get a spanner on. This is right on the rubber boot  as it joins the subframe. This is to stop it twisting as you undo the  other side. This is the hard part as its inside the subframe, im hoping a  long deep socket will do the job HTH.</p>
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<p>QUOTE(Alasdair)Thanks Martin - that'll definately help in getting them off, and helps make my mind up about which way to go.. (below)</p>
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<p>I  was going to replace both sides for OE stuff, all 4 ball joints, both  toe control arms and all the bits and bobs. Got quoted £114 for just one  side, and that was without shiny new nuts, bolts shims and spacers.  Deffo going for the uprated kit from Eliseparts or TADS. Sod paying  £228+ for what is not even an upgrade, when the Uniball Toe-link Kit is  £250+ depending on which hub i have..</p>
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<p>Looking forward to the next episode <img src="../public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif" alt="wink.gif"></p>
<p> Right then another exciting episode <img src="../public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif" alt="smile.gif"><img src="../public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif" alt="wink.gif">  As i was removing the undertrays, i thought one or two of the S1 owners  might be interested in this. You have to use your imagination though.  Imagine the screwdriver is the undertray. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/1/18/UndertrayBolts.jpg" alt="UndertrayBolts.jpg"></p>
<p> </p>
<p>From the left at the top. 8mm stainless steel button head set pin ( the head is shaped like a button funny enough ) Large stainless steel washer 4mm thick approx nylon spacer ( slightly bigger than washer ) Undertray ( screwdriver ) 2 large thick steel washers. This is what i use on the big undertray to stop things rattling against it etc. It seems to work. From the left at the bottom. 8mm stainless steel button head set pin. Large stainless steel washer. 4mm thick nylon spacer Undertray 4mm thick nylon spacer. This is what i use on the back undertray. </p>
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<p>The handbrake was a bit tricky to unclip and the brake caliper  and disc a PITA. A bit of a tap with the nylon hammer sorted it though </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/e/ea/RemoveCaliper.jpg" alt="RemoveCaliper.jpg"></p>
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<p>This is how i undid the inner toe link. You can just see the end  of the offset 17mm spanner poking out the subframe if you look closely.  It was easy with the disc off and you could have got a socket on it as  well. This was a pleasant suprise as i thought room would be limited. Note the cable tie to stop the caliper straining the brake pipe. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/f/fe/InnerToeLink.jpg" alt="InnerToeLink.jpg"></p>
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<p>Removing the ball joint from the bottom of the hub carrier. They always go with a bang, when you least expect it wacko.gif  </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/8/8b/RemovingBallJoint.jpg" alt="RemovingBallJoint.jpg"></p>
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<p>The bits ive took off. Upper and lower wishbone. Top ball joint carrier, which bolts onto the top of the hub carrier at  the back. Also the 2 camber adjustment spacers which go between it and  the hub. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/0/0a/BitsRemoved.jpg" alt="BitsRemoved.jpg"></p>
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<p>Final pic, all the bits off. Im also going to remove the upper  damper mounting bracket and the bottom wishbone rear mounting bracket as  they are starting to go rusty. I was too knackered tonight as the East  Midlands branch of MLOC made Liz and i stop out late last night  biggrin.gif  </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/0/0b/AllBitsOff.jpg" alt="AllBitsOff.jpg"></p>
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<p>EDIT Note the black cable tie retaining the hub to the subframe as i did not want to take a chance on the CV joint popping apart. </p>
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<p>Anyhow, ive come to a bit of a hold up as the plating man has had  a couple of days holiday. So im waiting for the top damper bracket and  upper wishbone. Never fear though ive got a few more pics. </p>
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<p>Lower wishbone mounting bracket, hmm. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/1/10/LowerWishboneMounting.jpg" alt="LowerWishboneMounting.jpg"></p>
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<p>After shotblasting. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/2/2e/LowerWishboneMountingSB.jpg" alt="LowerWishboneMountingSB.jpg"></p>
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<p>Replated </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/f/f5/LowerWishboneReplated.jpg" alt="LowerWishboneReplated.jpg"></p>
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<p>Ive decided not to paint the bracket as it holds the lower wishbone bush. </p>
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<p>Lower wishbone after shotblasting. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/d/d0/LowerWishboneAfterShotblasting.jpg" alt="LowerWishboneAfterShotblasting.jpg"></p>
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<p>Replated. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/4/43/Replated2.jpg" alt="Replated2.jpg"></p>
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<p>Painted with the new ball joint in and ready for use. </p>
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<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/9/95/Painted.jpg" alt="Painted.jpg"></p>
]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">464</guid><pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:00:00 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Elise Suspension</title><link>https://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/forum/index.html/faqwiki/suspension/elise-suspension-r455/</link><description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Overview</strong></p>
<p> There are numerous options of springs and dampers (commonly referred  to as suspension options) available for Elises.  Some of these are  available from the factory (such as the red Konis fitted to std S1's,  the yellow Lotus Sport Suspension dampers fitted on higher spec variants  and the yellow Bilsteins fitted to S2's) and some are from specialist  aftermarket manufacturers (e.g. Nitron, Spax, Gaz etc). </p>
<p> </p>
<p>The spring and damper perform different operations; the spring is  there predominantly to support the mass of the car whilst the damper  resists movement - the faster the suspension moves the more the damper  resists. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>Most car damper units are single piece and unadjustable, thats to  say that the settings are fixed.  Obviously this is then a compromise  between useage, e.g. smooth racetracks and potholed roads.  Higher spec  dampers offer adjustment via one or more knobs somewhere on the damper.   The adjustments affect the bump and rebound characteristics of the  unit.  Bump is the resistance to movement as the damper is compressed,  e.g. over bumps and racetrack kerbs, whilst rebound is the resistance to  the damper uncompressing, usually after a bump.  These settings are  usually adjusted via knobs or screw adjusters somewhere on the damper.   The number of adjusters depends on the type of damper; '1 way', '2 way',  '3 way' etc.   </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li> '1 way' units have a single adjuster that adjusts both bump and rebound together</li>
<li> '2 way' units have individual adjusters for bump and rebound</li>
<li> '3 way' units have individual adjusters for low speed bump  movement (e.g. 'normal' road undulations), high speed bump movement  (e.g. kerb strike etc) and rebound.</li>
</ul><p> The more complex units units also come in a selection of appearences,  with an extra cylinder either 'piggy backed' on the main unit or  remotely mounted on a hose. </p>
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<p> </p>
<p>Finally, standard road dampers have fixed spring positions, whereas  higher spec dampers have moveable platforms that allow rideheights to be  adjusted. </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p>1-way adjustable, single piece dampers with adjustable platforms are the  most common choice in higher spec aftermarket dampers and a good  cost/performance compromise for road and trackday use. The best  combination of spring, damper (make and setting) and ride height depend  on useage and driver preference, although there is a lot of advice to be  had on the forums. </p>
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<p> </p>
<p><strong>Bilsteins</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Advantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1 Relativly Cheap</li>
<li>2 Good Peformance for the Money</li>
<li>3 Good Ride Quality</li>
<li>4 Better than the OE fit Koni's</li>
<li>5 Can be set to adjust the ride height</li>
<li>6 Don't have to be declared as a Mod to insurance companies</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Disadvantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1 A bit soft for hardcore track work</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Koni</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Advantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Disadvantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Nitron</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Advantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1 Some of the best suspension you can get for the Elise</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Disadvantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1 Expensive</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Ohlins</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Advantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1 Some of the best suspension you can get for the Elise</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Disadvantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1 Expensive</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> To get you started, here are a few settings to try (all counted from "full hard")... </p>
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<p>Gentle road / wet: -24, -28 Motorway: -20, -25 Fast road (runs): -18, -22 Dry track cold: -13, -18 Dry track hot: - 8, -12 Wet track: -15, -18 </p>
<p> </p>
<p>... although obviously experiment with what suits your driving. In short, for slower &amp; bumpier, the softer it has to be. </p>
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<p>You can adjust the front-rear bias usefully (relative settings).  For damp and/or gusty conditions, soften the front more and it increases  "feel" and stability - in effect dialling in a fraction more understeer  which is a good for safety in such conditions. Then harden the front  for more neutral handling, in effect maximising rear grip for when you  can be more brutal with the power through the back wheels. </p>
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<p>Although there are allegedly 60 clicks on an Ohlins tube, forget about the softest 30 - it makes the car too bouncy. </p>
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<p><strong> Gaz</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Advantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1 Cheap</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Disadvantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1 Not good on Elises</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Avo</strong></p>
<p> <img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/thumb/b/b8/AVO.jpg/180px-AVO.jpg" alt="180px-AVO.jpg"></p>
<p> AVO fully adjustable shock and spring kit, adjustable damping rate, adjustable ride height platforms. </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Advantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1 Cheap</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> &lt;a name="Disadvantages_6" id="Disadvantages_6"&gt;</p>
<p><strong> Disadvantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1 Sound for a budget shock, standard road setting they are fine.</li>
<li>2 As the old adage goes, you get what you pay for</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p></p>
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