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<rss version="2.0"><channel><title>MLOC Lotus news: MLOC Lotus news</title><link>https://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/forum/index.html/faqwiki/brakes/?d=1</link><description>MLOC Lotus news: MLOC Lotus news</description><language>en</language><item><title>Changing Discs and Pads</title><link>https://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/forum/index.html/faqwiki/brakes/changing-discs-and-pads-r497/</link><description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Replacing Discs</strong>  </p>
<p>Most important tools:-</p>
<p> </p>
<p>*Screwdriver [to lever the piston back in]</p>
<p>*Rubber  mallet [to knock the old disk off - be careful to knock the disk all  around to loosen not at one point as this could damage the hub]</p>
<p>*Copperslip!  - [use this on everything - bolts, rear of disk that mates the hub, and  back of disks to stop them squealing - you should get an anti squeal  sticker to eliminate this though]</p>
<p> </p>
<p>So very briefly:-</p>
<p>*Jack up car</p>
<p>*Take wheel off</p>
<p>*Undo the brake resivour cap</p>
<p>*[if doing rear disk take handbrake off]</p>
<p>*Remove springs, and pins</p>
<p>*Undo caliper bolts</p>
<p>*Pull out old pads</p>
<p>*Take caliper off and hang/rest in a safe place - not on brake line</p>
<p>*Undo allen key bolt on disk [you may or may not have these]</p>
<p>*Rubber mallet to loosen and remove disk</p>
<p>*Clean the hub surface [where disk meets - v important]</p>
<p>*Copperslip</p>
<p>*Put disk on making sure its flush!</p>
<p>*Reversal of refitting!</p>
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<p><strong>Fitting Brake Buffer Pads</strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
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<p>This  is where the anti rattle buffers go on the front pads mate. If the rear  pads are rattling i'd check the retaining pins, the rears are different  from the fronts and never heard of the buffers being needed on the rear  pads before. </p>
<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/5/5d/BrakeBufferPads.jpg" alt="BrakeBufferPads.jpg"></p>
]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">497</guid><pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:00:00 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>How do I bleed my brakes?</title><link>https://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/forum/index.html/faqwiki/brakes/how-do-i-bleed-my-brakes-r491/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>It is possible to bleed the brakes using the traditional 2 person  technique (1 pushing the pedal and 1 controlling the flow through the  nipple) however a pressure bleeding system (such as a Gunsons  Eezi-bleed) makes it a relatively easy 1 person job. The basic procedure with an Eezi-bleed is as follows:- </p>
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<ul><li> Fill Eezi-bleed bottle.</li>
<li> Connect Eezi-bleed cap to resevoir</li>
<li> Connect air pressure feed to tyre (checking for leaks).</li>
<li> With a clear hose attached and feeding into a jar,  undo bleed nipple using a ring spanner. Continue until fluid is bleeding  clear and without bubbles. Nip up the bleed nipple.</li>
<li> Repeat for all corners, possibly going round the set a couple  of times.  The usual procedure is to start with the longest brakelines,  i.e. nearside-rear, offside-rear, nearside-front, offside-front.</li>
<li> Keep checking the Eezibleed resevoir. If you need to top it up DONT FORGET TO TAKE OFF THE AIR SUPPLY before removing the top!</li>
<li> When done disconnect air supply and remove Eezibleed.</li>
<li> Use a torque wrench to tighten the bleed nipples (if you have a  torque to set them to and a wrench available). You can do this by hand,  but it is tempting to overtighten them.</li>
<li> Give the nipples a spray with brake cleaner to clear them and the calipers of excess fluid.</li>
<li> Try the brake pedal.</li>
<li> Check the calipers/nipples for any signs of leakage.</li>
<li> Top up resevoir and replace cap.</li>
</ul><p> The biggest problem bleeding a dry system (e.g. following following a  brake hose or caliper change) is removing air from the front calipers.   The layout of the front caliper is such that there is a void in one  half of the caliper thats is difficult to bleed with the caliper in the  fitted position.  Arguably the best way to remove air in this pocket is  to remove the caliper from the upright and bleed the caliper whilst  rotating it in a steady 360deg arc, repeating the process until no  further air bubbles come out and the pedal becomes firm. </p>
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">491</guid><pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>I hear a clicking from my front wheels</title><link>https://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/forum/index.html/faqwiki/brakes/i-hear-a-clicking-from-my-front-wheels-r484/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>The pads tend to be toleranced to allow for expansion when hot. This does mean they can clank around a bit though. You can fit brake buffers, little sticky rubber pads that you can fit to the caliper to "dampen" the noise.</p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">484</guid><pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Elise Brakes</title><link>https://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/forum/index.html/faqwiki/brakes/elise-brakes-r447/</link><description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Why are my brakes "poor"?</strong></p>
<p> They aren't! Everyone is now used to driving cars with servo (power)  assisted brakes which means you dont have to press the pedel very hard  to make the brakes work hard. To save weight and to increase the 'feel'  of the brakes (i.e. you can 'feel' how much braking force you are  applying) the Elise doesn't have servo assist. So you have to press the  pedel relatively hard to get a response, which some people misinterpret  as poor brakes. You just have to get used to pressing harder! Try  stamping on the brakes and see if you can lock the wheels. If you can,  then your brakes have more than enough ability. Next time you need to  stop suddenly only press it 99% so they don't quite lock and that is  your maximum braking potential. </p>
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<p> </p>
<p><strong>Which pads should I get?</strong></p>
<p> This depends on what you use your car for? Just road use or track?  First thing to check. Does your car have the MMC pads/discs on it or  steel discs? (Check this out by placing a magnet on the disc, if it  sticks you have steel discs, if it doesnt you have MMC's). If you have MMC's then you can either try and source some more MMC pads  or swap to stainless steel discs and new pads. See further down this list for the options. </p>
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<p> </p>
<p><strong>Discs</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Eliseparts </strong></p>
<p> Aluminium Belled, Drilled &amp; Grooved Discs </p>
<p> </p>
<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/0/04/EPAliBel.jpg" alt="EPAliBel.jpg"></p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Advantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Disadvantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> EBC Plain </strong></p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Advantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1 Cheap</li>
<li>2 Reasonable replacement for OEM steel discs</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Disadvantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> EBC Turbo Groove</strong></p>
<p> <img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/0/00/Turbogroove.jpg" alt="Turbogroove.jpg"></p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Advantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1 Relatively cheap (£153 per pair <a href="http://www.eliseparts.com/" rel="external nofollow">www.eliseparts.com- Nov 2007)</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.eliseparts.com/" rel="external nofollow">2 Look sexier than plain</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.eliseparts.com/" rel="external nofollow">3 Perfectly good for road or track use</a></li>
</ul><p><a href="http://www.eliseparts.com/" rel="external nofollow"> </a></p>
<p><strong> Disadvantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Real life facts</strong></p>
<p> Fronts went from 25.7mm to 25.22mm (0.48mm loss) after 10,000 miles  including 6 track days with Mintex 1144 pads. One day at Oulton with  Greenstuff pads lost only 0.01mm </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Lotus Standard MMC</strong></p>
<p> Metal Matrix Composite </p>
<p> </p>
<p><img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/f/fc/MMCDisc.jpg" alt="MMCDisc.jpg"></p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Advantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1 Lightweight</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Disadvantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Pads</strong></p>
<p> Below are a few of the choices for Brake Pads for your Elise with a brief descrption of the advantages/disadvantages. </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> EBC</strong></p>
<p> <img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/2/27/EBC.jpg" alt="EBC.jpg"></p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> EBC Greenstuff</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Advantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1 Cheap (£93 <a href="http://www.eliseparts.com/" rel="external nofollow">www.eliseparts.com)</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.eliseparts.com/" rel="external nofollow">2 Perfectly good on road or track if you don't mind people slagging them off for no good reason</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.eliseparts.com/" rel="external nofollow">3</a></li>
</ul><p><a href="http://www.eliseparts.com/" rel="external nofollow"> </a></p>
<p><strong> Disadvantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1 Poor initial bite, particularly when cold.</li>
<li>2 Users often report a 'spongey' feel</li>
<li>3 Supposedly wear quickly under heavy use but see actual figures below</li>
<li>4 Unfashionable</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Real life facts</strong></p>
<p> Actual wear rates experienced (s2 135s) by each of the 4 front pads on a hard track day (204 miles, 73 laps) at Oulton Park:</p>
<p>Right outer 0.31mm</p>
<p>Right inner 0.50mm</p>
<p>Left inner  1.16mm (maybe this piston is sticking a bit?)</p>
<p>Left outer  0.39mm </p>
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<p><strong> MMC</strong></p>
<p> <img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/6/6e/MMC.jpg" alt="MMC.jpg"></p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> MMC</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Advantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Disadvantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Pagid</strong></p>
<p> <img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/3/3c/Pagid.jpg" alt="Pagid.jpg"></p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Pagid RS14</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Advantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1 Best pads you can buy if you use the car on track?</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Disadvantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1 Expensive</li>
<li>2 Take the first application of the brakes to warm up</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Pagid RS15</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Advantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Disadvantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Pagid RS4-2</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Advantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Disadvantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Mintex</strong></p>
<p> <img src="http://www.midlandslotus.co.uk/wiki/images/c/cb/Mintex1144.jpg" alt="Mintex1144.jpg"></p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Mintex 1144</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> Advantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1 Relatively cheap (£115 - <a href="http://www.eliseparts.com/" rel="external nofollow">www.eliseparts.com)</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.eliseparts.com/" rel="external nofollow">2 Perfectly good on road or track</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.eliseparts.com/" rel="external nofollow">3</a></li>
</ul><p><a href="http://www.eliseparts.com/" rel="external nofollow"> </a></p>
<p><strong> Disadvantages</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<ul><li>1</li>
<li>2</li>
<li>3</li>
</ul><p> </p>
<p><strong> Real life facts</strong></p>
<p> A set of fronts lasted 10,700 miles including 5 track days. Rears still had ?5mm left after 11,000 miles </p>
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<p> </p>
<p><strong> Fluid</strong></p>
<p> Best Fluid etc... </p>
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<p><strong> Do I need to bleed the clutch at the same time as the brakes?</strong></p>
<p> It should be OK, because the resevoir is drained well above the  clutch line and therefore will NOT introduce any air into the line  itself. However, seeing as you've pretty much renewed the fluid  everywhere else and have the bleeder out you might as well bleed the  clutch at the same time. </p>
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<p><strong> Stainless steel brake hoses</strong></p>
<p> Standard issue brake lines are rubber with external wire  reinforcement.  Whilst adequate for normal road use, these can be  improved by replacing them with fully braided lines.  Braided lines  expand less under pressure due to the improved reinforcement - therefore  the pressure in the line is more linear with pedal application and in  extreme cases the maximum pressure exerted on the pad can be increased. </p>
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<p><strong> Replacing Hoses</strong></p>
<p> Replacing hoses is similar to other cars.  The items most worthy of  note are that smaller P-clips will be required to restrain the hoses and  that care needs to be taken to ensure adequate hose length at the  extremes of suspension and steering movement.  When complete, a check  should also be made to ensure the hoses do not rub against the inside of  the wheel.  After completing these checks the system will require  bleeding. Once bled, the system should be checked throughly for any  signs of leakage.  If there is any doubt about the installation then a  qualified technician should be consulted. </p>
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<p>Older Series 1's do not have the slots in the windscreen mount  that the later cars have.  These slots enable much easier access to the  locknuts and union fittings of the front lines.  Most people replacing  the hoses add these slots (the mounts are only GRP and therefore easy to  cut, particularly with a Dremel or similar). </p>
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<p><strong> What is the minimum brake disc thickness?</strong></p>
<p> The manual says new they are 26.0mm and the service minimum is 24.9mm. </p>
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<p>Depends really what you want or need from the brakes, I'd say.  The MOT test is all about effiency and minimum strength - going under  the rec level will not mean a failed test, so long as the brakes work  well ( which they will ). </p>
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<p>So if you use the Elise as a holiday car, mainly on public roads  and not out and out racing, you will probably have the same discs for a  long time. </p>
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<p>If you want to keep them at the pinnacle of performance, then stick to the guidelines. </p>
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<p><strong> Brake Replacement Parts</strong></p>
<p> Rear caliper is off a Renault Laguna and you cant refurb it - only  the slider bit - the good news is that the boots are in the refurb kit  though    </p>
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<p>The Lotus part number is A082J6162S and is a bit expensive ..  whereas the Renault part number is 77 01 205 496 and is about half  price.</p>
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